Or, you can of course use a custom action like a Terminus, Defiance, etc. Its a direct thread. For this experiment, well look at three common ways to determine effectiveness. Required fields are marked *. Mag. Should be the next level do it all cartridge. Skyking; Oct 18, 2010; Replies 10 Views 8K. If you're after deeper penetration, look at the 139-grain Barnes VOR-TX Long. I quickly saw that the 4 fewer grains of case capacity in the 7 PRC made these powders not ideal. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the cartridge is quite mild. Worked up load with 195 bergers. Ballistics and Drop for the 7mm Remington Magnum Cartridge Type: Rifle Height: 2.5" Width: 0.532" Average FPS: 3024 Average Energy: 3106 Average Gr: 153 Recoil: 2.06 Power Rank: 4.63 of 20 In the 1960's Remington created the 7mm Remington Magnum based of the 375 H&H cartridge design. Oh, it would be close, but it would still fall under the precise point of aim by about an inch. Figure 2. Hi Jim, Im a follower on YouTube, I really enjoy all of them. I have a winchester model 70 in a 7mm mag if im shooting 100 grain bullets what kind pf drop would i expect at 1000 yards. Remember, they dont show you the times it didnt work. Do you plan to hit every animal with a rangefinder? Recommendation: The 7mm is recommended for military applications out to 1000+ meters. Here are the ranges for a 190gr A-Tip Match in a 27in 7.21 Firebird at 3240fps: 1900fps: 1250yd I converted a Weatherby 6.5 PRC Meateater to the 7 PRC. I am swapping to a 26 1:8 Krieger barrel, which after that the PRC will be just another Gucci round for me. Using this as a reference, let's examine several other factors that can effect our shot placement. The 30 caliber 165 grain Barnes TSX would have to be fired at 4100 fps muzzle velocity to maintain 2000 fps velocity at 1000 yards. Ill keep pushing my 7RM 180gr at 3050 with 72.2gr Retumbo with brass more available than I could ever want or need. Someone forgot the grand daddy of 7mm mags! Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. Great cartridge. Its just another very similar round with no clear huge advantages, maybe only recoil. I guess the 7mm WSM is dead. Seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel given that the 7mm STW (strangely missing from this article for comparisons) does everything the 7mm PRC does and more for over 40 years: 180gr in the 3000-3200fps range. Unfortunately, the chronograph (Labradar) glitched out and didnt record all the velocities, but I did at least shoot the following two that were recorded. Input your hunting conditions to see the drop, drift, bullet trajectory, velocity, and energy in easy-to-read ballistics charts and graphs. Compact 1000 yard rangefinder. Daniel Defense firearms, parts and accessories. This means that velocity is the big player effecting how much a bullet will drop. Thank you. Sorry man, wasn't going after anyone, it's a hotly contested issue around the guys I run with, guess i just assumed it would be here too. The 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum was designed in 2002 by Remington Arms Company. Thank you for all the proactive information gathering youve done for the community. With the high BC of some of the 7mm bullets, ballistically this 7mm PRC will outshine most 6.5mm and 30cal cartridges. Hey Jim, thanks for all the great content. Next, I loaded H1000. This is again shooting the 175gr ELD-X bullet out of 24 test barrel with a large magnum CCI primer. Personally, I have said for a long time on the Youtube channel that my ideal hunting cartridge would be a 7mm shooting 180 grains at 3,000 fps. I hope brass makers continue to make 7mm STW brass. On game heavier than 320kg, the 7mm RM is capable of producing adequate penetration but not wide wounding relative to body weights. If its a can that takes a threaded muzzle device or a QD mount then who installed the device and did you time it for minimal POI shift? 7mms in general produce such good ballistics like higher retained velocity, energy, etc because of the bullets made for this caliber. Shoot! Just imagine a long slender VLD bullet compared to a flat nosed semi wad cutter. The 6.5 Creedmoor has long been known to cause damage to the International Space Station with errant shots. I just finished my 7saummight need to do an identical build but in 7prc and compare. With that bullet, drop at 1000 would be measured in yards. Examine the velocity graph generated by Shoot! It seems that the cartridge was designed to compress the load right at the point where youd reach pressure with these common powders. In a trophy hunting situation, it's important to have the equipment and preparation to ensure that you can make the shot at that once-in-a-lifetime trophy, even at 800 yards! I think the biggest win for the PRC however is the factory support that the SAUM lacks. But with a TBAC 7 ultra on a Fierce CT rival. Winchester told me they arent planning a series. Also, remember that the data in the table above is using averages of multiple loads per cartridge. F-Class 32 barrel. JavaScript is disabled. How will that compare? Hey C3, Aren't Bases for long range higher in the rear as to give better muzzle elevation to scope alignment? It really looks like this might be the do all cartridge Ive been waiting for. Was pleasantly surprised by your reference to preferred barrels and to find out that you are also a local Utah sportsman as I grew up only 70 miles away from St. George and still live and hunt this area with my family. In fact, Aaron Davidson, CEO of Gunwerks, jokingly said that the new 7PRC is the 7LRM. It's like these other guys said, if you throw a small rock it goes really fast, but not very far. The cool thing is that Preferred Barrel Blanks does prefits for just about any action you already have. In certain situations we may suggest the use of ballistic turrets and for most scope models we can have custom turrets cut according to your load data. Required fields are marked *. A 10 MPH wind will move a bullet about 10-12 feet laterally. Had they had a COAL for this cartridge that worked in a short action, then I could see it being a winner. We've measured the reference system to be on the order of eight inches at 1000 yards, but because of its exponential dependency on time of flight the 1500 yard drift could be as much as five feet! Youre right. Maybe one day you could get a donor barrel from a sponsor, and cut it down in the field (no recrown) every inch from 28 down to 18 to see what all the velocities are? We know the grain is different but that's as close as we could get with the Winchester Silvertips. Canting your rifle scope (tipping it left or right) can also cause significant left/right error. Figure 3. In other words what barrel length will produce a 3,000 fps muzzle velocity using the factory loaded Precision Hunter 175 gr ELD-X bullet? Nice build Jim. how will the 7mm prc compare to the 7mm sherman short or 7mm sherman max. The only other company Ive seen with die sets is Whidden Gunworks. To me its in the Goldilocks zone. We need more ethical hunters who wont chance wounding an animal. 2950fps with 32 inch barrel. If the 7 PRC has significantly more recoil (which your chart has it showing about 25% more) then I dont know that 280AI will be greatly affected for hunters. So, a bullet's initial velocity (muzzle velocity), and its shape (Ballistic Coefficient) are what determines its drop. 1400 W Henry St I saw the BIG ballistics spreadsheet on your youtube videos, you should share that. For this load, I chose the 195 Berger EOL and loaded it to max COAL of 3.34. I have a Vortex Strike Eagle on my 7mmMag that is being rebarreled. They gave me a 22 inch 7MM barrel blank so thats what I used for my 7 PRC build. Little things that you may never have noticed can make a shot fail if you are really pushing the limits. No obvious pressure signs, but I didnt feel I should compress further. You mentioned that length. For example, most of the all-copper expanding bullets need something like 1,900 0r 2,000 fps to expand even a little. Bullet Weight: 140 gr Initial Velocity: 3130 fps Sight Height : 1.5 in Shooting Angle: 0 Wind Speed: 10 mph Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 300 yd Chart Range: 1000 yd Maximum Range: 6562 yd Step Size: 25 yd International Standard Atmosphere Altitude: Sea Level (0 ft) Barometric Pressure: 29.92 Hg Temperature: 59 F Relative Humidity: 50% And shoot 168 Barnes tipped triple shock bullets along with Berger VLD at same weight and load. It was an exciting huntwe would spot goats from the valley floor, and climb 3000-4000 feet every day to hunt them. Custom Ammo:Upon request we can provide you with custom loaded ammunition. Also, any chance you could add 270wsm to the tables? Made my own dies. Heres what he reported using a 175gr ELDX, Federal 215M primers, and Reloder26 powder. thank you. is beginning to assert its trajectory superiority here with a 5-inch advantage over the .270 Win. Tikka, Browning, and Bergara are conspicuously missing from the list and yet they all chamber for the 6.5 PRC. Thankyou for report off the 7mm PRC as I have been searching for since I saw the SAAMI specification. 66 grs of H1000 behind a Berger 184 Hybrid produces 3,000 fps. He is a well-known entrepreneur, having started many successful online brands, and lives in St George, Utah. Im a big fan of the channel and look forward to more on the 7mm PRC. Thats one flat shooting load considering we sighted-in the bullet to impact only 2.37 inches high at 100 yards. Magpro had a lot of case capacity left, but wasnt getting the velocity Id hope to see without just burning a ton of powder. Centerfire Handgun. Here is the above load showing the trajectory out to 500 yards based on those optimum sight settings: At 500 yards this bullet is only 29.14 inches low! Jim, Im wondering why you did not include the Winchester 284, in your comparative with the lineup. I reload and would be VERY interested in learning more about being able to use less powder to achieve higher velocities with the the same bullet in 7 PRC vs 7 rem mag. The list goes on. Did you perhaps mean 50 cm? Look up bergerbullets.com. Regardless keep the videos coming Whos reamer did you use? However, hunters who choose to use gear that does not meet this standard are often forced to either make an unethical shot or to pass up shot opportunities when the elk isnt turned the right way. Your information will never be shared and you can unsubscribe with one click at anytime. Sight in and validated out to 1000 yards: The rifle is sited in and shot out at distance to ensure functionality of the turret and verification of all associated data. If ya do you might blow your face off. The pistol bullet will slow down much faster, see Figure 2. I was somewhat surprised by the list of firearms manufacturers who are not yet jumping on board with the 7 PRC. For what its worth longest shot was 823 yards with my Leupold vx2 3-9 but that was eight years ago Rifle Ammunition Product Lines: AG American Gunner . The two most important variables are the Initial Velocity and the Ballistic Coefficient. Those shooters could use the information that Hornady is providing herein Figure 1. Itll get tons of penetration and you could shoot that light of a bullet VERY fast. Personally, my load for the 175 ELD-X in the 7mm PRC will be 64gr of H4831SC, which should yield around 2,925fps. Were did you had your rifle made? It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. The first number is the value of this cartridge, and the last number is the value of the most powerful round in our bullet database. How does the 7mm Rem Mag achieve such ballistics? The same goes for doping wind for direction and speed. Im a big fan of the 7mm. grazie, Hi Jim, I hunt in the Alps area in Italy, I walk a lot and would like a light weapon. That sounds really cool. Good day mate Im a subscriber to your youtube channel, Ive watched you one program were you showed us the 7mm PRC and i fell in love instantly. Not all bullets are Max-Range bullets. Before SAAMI drawings of the 7 PRC were released, I fully expected the 7 PRC to follow the industry-wide trend of overbore hot-rod cartridges. Though it is designed to headspace off the belt of brass, handloaders can improve concentricity by using the shoulder for headspacing. Well, that would limit most hunting rifles to between 150 and 400-yards. But, everything has to be perfect for it to work. 300 PRC and 6.5 PRC ammo has challenging to find too, but is finally showing up with Federal and Sierra joining Hornady. At 500 yards the 7mm's ballistic advantage begins to matter with nearly 10 inches less drop than the .270, 6 inches less than the .300. You may be able to use a heavier bullet and achieve more energy or a longer range with more velocity.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_6',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Since were talking about max distances, Id like to clarify something here. Couple questions for you. Privacy Great video and Ive been following and hoping that a 7 PRC would come for years now. Its certainly true that bullet/load selection will make a big difference. Thanks again for the info. But, I shoot a 195 EOL with a 1:9.5 twist out of a weatherby vanguard 7mm Rem Mag. I have a table showing the highest BC 7mm bullets, but here are a few bullets likely to be popular in the 7mm PRC: Below are the specified twist rates for many similar cartridges to the 7 PRC. How much does the system you made weigh? The maximum effective range of the 6.5 PRC for hunting is approximately 730 yards, at which distance many bullets will slow below 1,900 fps which can cause a bullet to fail to expand. The one disagreement I have is that I think the 7PRC will affect the 28 Nosler sales more than they will the 7RM or 280AI. I am looking to build a new (all in one) rifle. We have an article on Backfire that goes a bit deeper into long-range hunting cartridges and bullet selection. Graph below shows the energy remaining at 500 yards for the same load: At 500 yards the remaining energy is 1710 Ft-Lbs. @Jim Harmer I know this is a very hard list to compile, I do appreciate your attempts to educate in a common sense way. Whidden has the dies for 7 PRC. 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. Given Hornadys target load of 180gr at 2,950fps, this is likely a max load. But wait, there's more. While I was thinking that the 7 prc might be the way to go, Im just going to re-barrel my 7mm weather with a faster twist! Very impressive ballistics. The bullets BC (ballistic coefficient) is very high at 0.536. .308 Winchester Mountan goat taken by the author at 575 yards with a 15 mile per hour crosswind. Something like a 145gr Barnes LRX would be a great choice. Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics . Hornady has an incredible track record with cartridges over the last 20 years: 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, 17HMR. bearcat2; Nov . Note that BOTH of these are a compressed load, so you couldnt really go much faster than this with H1000. Keep in mind this is an approximation and although it is quite accurate it should never replace first-hand experience of shooting your specific firearm and ammunition to determine the bullet drop and windage at different ranges and conditions. Your build is the route Im thinking of going. Thank you very much in advance, Thank you. All three are excellent choices for long-range hunting ammo.. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Its an incredibly popular cartridge, but over time, I expect the 7 PRC to overtake it.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_7',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0');if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_8',175,'0','1'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0_1'); .box-4-multi-175{border:none !important;display:block !important;float:none !important;line-height:0px;margin-bottom:15px !important;margin-left:auto !important;margin-right:auto !important;margin-top:15px !important;max-width:100% !important;min-height:250px;min-width:250px;padding:0;text-align:center !important;}. Guessing and sighter shots have no place in todays hunting ethic. Steve, Jim, Im in the middle of building a 7PRC. The following improvements will be made: Please sign up for our newsletter so that you can be alerted the moment these new features are launched! 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